Addline !!

GouroB · Post by **GouroB** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:49 pm

ok in 3.2.3 , oper flag " X " needs to be added to have addline access . My question is if i give this access to a oper , can he add a oper block with it ?

Post by **Syzop** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:54 pm

Yes, the oper will be able to add anything (s)he wants (that's why it's moved to a seperate flag and will ultimately be removed).

GouroB · Post by **GouroB** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:07 pm

Yes, the oper will be able to add anything (s)he wants

ok then what would (s)he needs to add to add a oper block ? i mean the whole thing we use in config file ? like add all these lines one by one ?

/addline oper maga {
/addline class clients;
/addline from {
/addline userhost *@*;
/addline };
/addline password "******************";
/addline flags "OarhwgcLkKbBZtnGCHvY";
/addline snomask frebWqFvckjGns;
/addline };

or what else ?

and will ultimately be removed).

didnt get ur this point ... if it will get removed ultimately why would a oper will add it .

Post by **Syzop** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:24 pm

ok then what would (s)he needs to add to add a oper block ?

sorry I'm not gonna help you with that, I presume someone else will, I just completely hate the command and discourage anyone to use it.

didnt get ur this point ... if it will get removed ultimately why would a oper will add it .

I meant that the command will ultimately be removed.

jewles · Post by **jewles** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:07 am

addline is a terrible command and i agree should have been removed a long time ago!

GouroB · Post by **GouroB** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:35 am

ok both of u hates it but is there any one who knows the cmd and can give me plz ?

Dukat · Post by **Dukat** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:42 am

It is possible to write an oper block all on one line, you don't have to add newlines.

But you really really really shouldn't use addline, it's evil.

GouroB · Post by **GouroB** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:25 pm

It is possible to write an oper block all on one line, you don't have to add newlines.

this is what i am asking

But you really really really shouldn't use addline, it's evil.

ok i wont use it but just to know how ....

Jason · Post by **Jason** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:16 pm

How to do it on one line?
Simply remove the linebreaks, the format of the oper block doesnt change.

The command should be removed?
HECK YEAH!

I have seen servers attacked very well when hackers spoofed a oper (no they dont need any access at all) and added netadmin oper blocks for themselves. They then glined everyone on the net.
Before this operflag, I did the extra work of removing the addline module.

Mr_S · Post by **Mr_S** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:11 pm

Quick query then,

If its so discouraged, why was it put there in the 1st place?? and why not removed a version or 2 later? or even on 3.2.3?

not whinging - jus curious

Post by **Syzop** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:34 pm

why was it put there in the 1st place?

that was before I joined.. And then there are several other examples as well, such as the *** +W umode which we all hate :P.

Why it is still there.. I don't know. IIRC I wanted to completely remove it but got hit by some resistance, so then I just made it an operflag... if you use it and get screwed, then it's your fault :P.

Anyway, it will be removed in 3.3* ;)
We tend to cleanup a lot more when working on a major release, during regular stable development we usually just fix bugs and add new features and don't really think that much about removing certain stuff, reorganising things more clearly, etc.

Ron2K · Post by **Ron2K** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:19 pm

Well, I'd vote against. In my opinion, it's too dangerous a command to have in an IRCd.

DeadNotBuried · Post by **DeadNotBuried** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:46 pm

i agree, get rid of it, it's too much of a security risk

Post by **Syzop** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:35 pm

Yeah, we already decided too.

Syzop: I think that the most right way to decide what to remove would be ask the users for them to vote as you did it about /helpop

I told a similar story to someone else on the bugtracker a month ago or so, but it seems worth to repeat here:

We only do that in case we have doubts about anything, in this case (and many others) we both say "that should be removed" or "we'll change that" and thus don't need to ask anyone anything.. We are not like california with all it's referendums etc ;P. Quite to the contrary.. which is a good thing IMO ("overdemocracy" would lead to a severely bloated ircd).