Logging?

am · Post by am » Thu May 27, 2004 3:24 am

Does UnrealIRC 3.2 have the ability to log all channels as well as any private messages? if so how do you put that in place. In the event it does not, does anyone know which IRCD does have such support or perhaps some 3rd party script which works in conjunction with unrealIRCD?

Thank You.

jewles · Post by **jewles** » Thu May 27, 2004 4:16 am

Absolutely NOT! Unless I was sleep for the last few years no ircd's log private messages. Why would they? Hince why they are "PRIVATE!" It would be very immortal to allow loging on private messages. Not to mention to many people who abuse it. And WE WILL not support in any way the ability to accomplish such a thing. As for logging channels I haven't found anything with Unreal that would log all channels. (not that this means it's not possible) But of course why you would even want to log all channels is beyond me (and I don't want to hear your reason why).

w00t · Post by **w00t** » Thu May 27, 2004 5:23 am

How you could even CONSIDER doing this is absolutly beyond me. I dont believe any such IRCd EXISTS and if it does, it damn well shouldnt. I mean, +I was invasive enough while it existed, but private messages as well?!

Not to flame, but that is ridiculous. Unethical. Immoral. Do I need to continue?

w00t · Post by **w00t** » Thu May 27, 2004 5:24 am

And to quote from bugs.unrealircd.org (and from the FAQ somewhere)

"+I - 2003-03-03 01:40 - codemastr
If you are even considering posting here about readding +I don't waste your time. All that will happen is your bug submission will be deleted on sight. +I is gone and will NOT be returning."

Solutech · Post by **Solutech** » Thu May 27, 2004 10:52 am

The only such program that does this to my knowledge is Chatspace . It lets you log both public and private transcripts . Have to agree though that having admins able to read p2p logs is a bit un-nerving . What users say in p2p is down to them . All I care about is what is said in channel.

am · Post by am » Thu May 27, 2004 12:02 pm

The reason why logging is important is for potential legal issues. If I'm running an IRCD and dont have logs in the event someone is doing/saying something which they should not there would be no way of me knowing.

Someone could start their own warez channel on my IRCD and I would be held liable if an investigation occurs. Without any logs to help assist them I would be looked upon as the 'bad' guy.

I inquired about private message logs because many spammers joins channels and mass pm non ops spammed messages. If I dont have logs then its questionable if a person denies from ever doing so. Some people may say user XYZ pm'd me saying this & that which is against your TOS. But without logs to fully prove it, it may be questionable. Logs would be used as proof and protection to the server incase trouble makers show up.

jewles · Post by **jewles** » Thu May 27, 2004 1:57 pm

Legal purposes.... !!! Bullshit buddy! You don't have to worry a bit about what is said in anyones private converstaitons! even still ircd's aren't even 100% ... and i'll leave it at that.... You have no control over what people do or say. so loggin them isn't going to help much.... If you knew anything you'd stop any such thing from happening or starting.... if you are a irc operation you have a full viewing of all opened channels if they are +sp or not.... so it is only up to you! plus there are steps you can take to prevent any such things from happening. such as deny {}, channels, or use of the new dcc feature to block file extentions. well i'm done bitch about this for now...

Ron2K · Post by **Ron2K** » Thu May 27, 2004 2:02 pm

am wrote:Someone could start their own warez channel on my IRCD and I would be held liable if an investigation occurs.

Taken from ZANet.net's website (I go and chat there every now and then):

Disclaimer

ZAnet and individual server administrators reserve the right to allow or disallow connections to this IRC server and network, without prior notification and without justification; and to act in any way they see fit against individuals or organisations abusing the network, its resources or any of its users in any way.
ZAnet is a private network, run by the server administrators and operators.

ZAnet takes no responsibility for and explicitly disclaims any legal liability for the content of any messages that pass through this server and network and the results of running any commands which you do as a result of being on IRC.

Put a disclaimer like that on your IRC network's website or in the MOTD and you should be covered. (We just looked at this sort of thing in the Commercial Law course that I'm currently taking.)