Shells?

Moogey · Post by **Moogey** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:09 pm

Well that just sucks! All it takes is 1 jerk who hates (or more likely in these types of cases is jealous) of me/my network to get it canceled!

How do big IRC networks do it such as QuakeNet? Biggest IRC network in the world, they must have tons of people who hate their network yet they're still up!

Matridom · Post by **Matridom** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:12 pm

Moogey wrote:Well that just sucks! All it takes is 1 jerk who hates (or more likely in these types of cases is jealous) of me/my network to get it canceled!

How do big IRC networks do it such as QuakeNet? Biggest IRC network in the world, they must have tons of people who hate their network yet they're still up!

People who run their own servers tend to get less restrictions.

Also, if they are co-hosting a server, the ISP is able to do more about a DDOS attack then on a shell or if the server is at home.

Finaly, large networks tend to have many servers spread all over the place, one going down won't affect the entire network much (unless it's a hub) The best practices that are listed in the documentations has good advice on how to avoid having your hubs taken down.

Moogey · Post by **Moogey** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:45 pm

Well I was originally going to run my network @ home, but the biggest thing is I'm not sure whether or not it's ok with Comcast. I have just home cable, nothing business. (314kbps upstream I think).

Also, I did intend to run a hub. If it's ok with Comcast I think I will consider that actually--again.

If I did that I'd just get a shell for services I guess so services would still work if my hub went down. It'd just connect to a working server.

Could there be lower-rooted hubs? Never tried it, never saw it mentioned in the docs.

Thanks!

Post by **Syzop** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:31 pm

Wasn't undernet severly hit by (D)DoS attacks? (And then I don't mean the "usual (D)DoS attacks" targetted at 1-3 servers, but like half [or more] of the network). If I'm not mistaken this was in 2001, but I don't know the details, I do know I tried to connect but could hardly get on and the network was kinda in pieces.. for days/weeks.

Just figured I would post this to scare you a bit more ;p

Moogey · Post by **Moogey** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:19 pm

Heh that's ok. I highly doubt it'll happen in the beginning because it will be small in the beginning naturally. By the time it's a concern I should have a better solution [from shells and them being canceled]

White_Magic · Post by **White_Magic** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:27 am

Ive seen Ircqnet`s 8 servers all unlinked due to (D)Dos attacks, and everyone spread all over the 8 servers and not only that, the ones with no ops in the " main public rooms " had flood bots running wild in them and nothing could stop them, this went for 4 days, anytime they linked they were (D)Dos`d out again, it was horrible *this was last year thou*

w00t · Post by **w00t** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:14 pm

I will add that while I've seen a lot of networks go under due to a ddos, a network I've run never has

. The last one I opered on was run entirely at first off two shell accounts, with similar restrictions. They were hit by a botflood. You'll find that if you notify them ASAP of the attack, they'll tend to be a bit more forgiving. Even more so if you know what you're doing so you can work together at mitigating the problems.

Moogey · Post by **Moogey** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:40 pm

I'm getting less excited about starting this server -_- lol

I think I'll just contact the people at highuptime.com to see what their policy is about (D)DoS attacks.

w00t · Post by **w00t** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:35 am

It's not fun at times, just keep a positive attitude and you'll have fun

Stealth · Post by **Stealth** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:10 am

My server is run at home... I have Web, FTP, IRC, and Email. My website was designed for low-bandwidth, my IRCd has a 12-user average, and email is used here-and-there along with FTP ... (It all used to be run on a 66mhz/Win95 2 years ago).

They are on DSL, and have been DDoS'd once for ~3 hours... I didn't hear a thing from my ISP, although I was quick in changing all DNS names to 127.0.0.1, and changing my IP

Moogey · Post by **Moogey** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:11 pm

Heh. Well I'm pretty sure I'm not going to home host since I'm going to run a hub. What I may do is run a server specifically for opers here at my house, which can have some advantages

w00t · Post by **w00t** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:40 pm

This will seem a bit offtopic, but.. :p

I was talking with someone a while back (can't remember the *exact* conversation, so it'll be a bit off) and we did the maths and figured out you'd probably be able to run a leaf server (with ~1-2 connected clients :p) for a ~2000 user network on a dialup connection (even if it would get maxed out at times

). All you'd be recieving is NICK/AWAY/etc stuff, you wouldn't recieve messages to people not on your server.

(NOTE: as I said, my memory sucks.. I may be wrong about 2000 users :p all I know is it was possible according to the figures to run a leaf server on a comparativly huge network on 56k, even if not ideal.)

What am I trying to say? :p bandwidth isn't a huge issue, really. IRC doesn't take much at all for average networks.

Moogey · Post by **Moogey** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:26 am

Heh I knew it! That's what I thought but I wasn't sure