+q Mode Annoyance

[lunaris87]

hi, sorry if this has come up before but i searched and couldn't find anything. i'm having a problem with the +q channel mode.

for example, a join a channel, and i'm the first to join - i.e. i get +o automatically, and i presume i am the channel 'founder'. however, i can't set +q on myself to make myself owner, i.e.:

/mode #chan +q nick

doesn't work; i get the error:

#chan You're not a channel owner

excuse the n00biness of this question, and thanks for any support.

lunaris87

[sChutt]

Assuming ur an oper, the following is possibe aswell:

//msg operserv mode $chan +q $me

- sChutt

[katsklaw]

#chan You're not a channel owner

Just as it states, you're not the channel owner. Why would you expect to be protected as one?

Being a Net Admin does not (and should not) give you unrestricted access to absolutely everything.

[sChutt]

#chan You're not a channel owner

Just as it states, you're not the channel owner. Why would you expect to be protected as one?

Being a Net Admin does not (and should not) give you unrestricted access to absolutely everything.

I'd say that'd depend on the net's policy, not someone's personal view.

- sChutt

[katsklaw]

#chan You're not a channel owner

Just as it states, you're not the channel owner. Why would you expect to be protected as one?

Being a Net Admin does not (and should not) give you unrestricted access to absolutely everything.

I'd say that'd depend on the net's policy, not someone's personal view. ;)

- sChutt

1. Services coders felt that it shouldn't.
2. There is such a thing as umode +q for admins that give them global +q but you would need to read the docs to figure that out. Hint: /helpop ?umodes.

Many users dislike IRCops using Godlike powers. I for one would never use such a net. If you come into my channel as a +q admin and refused to leave I'd take my entire channel to another net.

PS: Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you must do a thing.

[w00t]

I think you need to read his post a little more carefully. Especially, "and I'm the first to join". Implying that there's noone else there.

Now, let's say the channel is not registered, you would expect to be the founder, correct. However, Unreal is expected to work alongside services, and so it does not. Rather it just follows the RFC and op's the person.

If you want to be identified as founder of a channel, you'll need to get services and register that channel under your nickname.

[DJ747]

the problem is you don't have +N oflag, only network administrators with override can set owner channel modes (+q, +u and other modes that require owner privs to set). And the usermode +q is so only services can kick you. (example: you join a channel, the channel owner doesn't want you in, but they can't kick you unless they use services)

[aquanight]

It is +N. Although he has to pass all the other kick requirements (chanop, etc) first :P .

[w00t]

Or have operoverride.

[w00t]

Ok, I'll try and explain the system to the best of my ability it's a bit complex, and I'm not sure if I'll recollect it properly.

There are a number of status users can have on a channel:
-Normal users
-Voiced users (+v)
-Halfops (+h)
-Ops (+o)
-Protected (+a)
-Founder (+q)

As I remember it:
Founders can kick other founders, and any other users.
Protected users can kick any users except founders (although if they don't have ops on servers with prefixes ~& enabled, they won't be able to kick afaik).
Ops can kick any users except +qa
Halfops can kick any users except +oaq
Voice users can.. uh...

Nobody else can do anything without the can_override flag - NOTHING.
(through the IRCd at least)

[Stealth]

afaik = As Far As I Know